Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 20, 2009 20:49:56 GMT 2

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Post by BurnOut on Oct 20, 2009 20:49:56 GMT 2

Anybody managed to get it working? Im having so much fun trying make the god damn thing work.

Case scenario is Heat essentials + Group C mod.

For a start, since some installers seem to use a hardcoded path and others properly use environment variables, every thing ended up on different folders.

Furthermore, Win7 created FOUR program files folders, one named 'Program files', another called Program Files (x86) and another two in spanish that supposedly are the counterparts of those first two...

*sigh*

Last Edit: Oct 20, 2009 20:55:30 GMT 2 by BurnOut

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 20, 2009 21:03:44 GMT 2

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Post by BurnOut on Oct 20, 2009 21:03:44 GMT 2

Some progress: seems I managed to put everything in its place but now Im getting the following message when trying to launch the mod:

Unable to copy race.bin!
(C:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\NASCAR Heat\Run\race.bin --> C:\Users\Carlos\AppData\Local\Temp\heat.bin

Even though I made sure the whole path isnt read-only protected...

EDIT: Turns out there was no race.bin in the run folder, luckily I still had the rusty cd Jonesman sent me back in the day, so I copied it directly from there and now the game launches, just need to find out why neither mod launcher or the Group C shortcut wont launch the mod.

Last Edit: Oct 20, 2009 21:10:16 GMT 2 by BurnOut

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 0:09:26 GMT 2

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Oct 20, 2009 21:03:44 GMT 2 BurnOut said:

just need to find out why neither mod launcher or the Group C shortcut wont launch the mod.

Heat path is set right in registry ?

Check for HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Hasbro Interactive\NASCAR Heat , DataDirectory should point to the mods' base folder "C:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\NASCAR Heat" - unless you have installed the mods elsewhere

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 9:08:13 GMT 2

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Post by BurnOut on Oct 21, 2009 9:08:13 GMT 2

Thanks Karl, will check that when I get home, yesterday I only got 20 minutes to play with the installation.

However, trying to get things right Im pretty sure I messed up some folders. Would be really grateful if someone could post the directory hierarchy (Long beach track ended up in heats main folder and Im sure it doesnt go there)

Right now I have something like

Hasbro Interactive
--Nascar Heat
----Run
----GroupC

That right?

Last Edit: Oct 21, 2009 9:16:35 GMT 2 by BurnOut

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 10:34:41 GMT 2

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Post by raybee1970 on Oct 21, 2009 10:34:41 GMT 2

Sounds like Windows 7 hijacks installs and files like Vista did, putting them in odd folders where they don't belong.

Why does Microsoft do junk like that?

Why can't they leave well enough alone?

Anyways, double check to make sure stuff isn't going into a folder other than where it "should" go.

The correct path for everything should be this:

C:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\Nascar Heat

Then the Run folder will be in the Nascar Heat folder, and all tracks go in there. Mods go into their own folders, also in the Nascar Heat folder.

I forget where the heat.bin goes, but seems like it was in the Windows folder or something like that. I guess that is where the problems will start, if Windows 7 is hijacking the install from going where everything is supposed to.

I will quote DusterLags's post from The Mod Squad, which may provide some help to turning that off (at least this is how it was done in Vista)....

Alright, I would bet that you have your mods installed in different places...

I'll try and make this simple.

Because of vistas "administrators rights" or "user account control" if you are trying to install something, or place files somewhere, that is not located within directories that actually belong to you it is required that you "Run As Administrator".

Note: Not all install programs for mods or tracks from the heat community are recognized by vista as install programs, therefore they will not automatically ask you to install as administrator you must force this with a right click.

Now if you install one of these programs, mods, tracks, ect anything without "running as administrator" it will still install & act successful. However if it is trying to be placed anywhere that does not belong to you, aka anything not in c:\Users\Your User Account, it will actual install in a "virtual" folder within your User account folder.

Example of that folders location on my pc...
C:\Users\DusterLag\AppData\Local\VirtualStore
(This does not mean that it will always be in this location)

I would recommend that you remove everything, start over by changing the permissions of the "NASCAR Heat" folder by right clicking on it and adding your user account name to the list & giving yourself "full privileges" this will ensure that you now "own this folder" but be 100% sure you also run every install as the administrator.

Sorry for the long message, but I hope it is helpful, it seems most likely.

Also... he posted this too:

Your best option is to simply disable UAC (User Account Control) from the Control Panel/Users.

This will eliminate the need & feature of "Run as Administrator" it will be closer to XP.

Maybe that info will help some. It sounds like the crap they used in Vista, is back again in 7.

Last Edit: Oct 21, 2009 10:40:01 GMT 2 by raybee1970

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 11:19:59 GMT 2

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Post by BurnOut on Oct 21, 2009 11:19:59 GMT 2

Win7 definitely has some of Vista's bad habits of putting things where they dont belong.

Funnily, yesterday when I was browsing looking for people having the same problems, I stumbled upon a post from our Humty having problems with Vista, and also that thread at the mod squad

However there dont seem to be anything like UAC in Seven, at least I couldnt find it. I did set full control to all users for the whole Hasbro Interactive folder though it made no difference.

Now if something MUST go in the windows folder, that sounds even more 'challenging', but damn right im gonna get heat working

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 11:43:59 GMT 2

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Post by raybee1970 on Oct 21, 2009 11:43:59 GMT 2

You may want to try "Run as Administrator" on the installs too, since you said you couldn't find that UAC thingy. And maybe doing full control for the Windows folder (and any other folders within the Windows folder) and see what all that does. At least temporarily, until you get everything for Heat installed.

I'm on XP, but it doesn't show the heat.bin file in any folder except a PreFetch folder in Windows for a file like heat.bin...but with a weird extension to it.

The "heat.bin" is one of the important files for actually getting Heat to launch. If the game can't find that file, it'll just keep crashing, looking for that heat.bin (which it should give you the standard error log, with the panic line saying it couldn't find the heat.bin...etc).

And some of the old XP and Vista ways of having to get Heat to run, may help too...like running it in Windows 98 compatibility mode (or even 2000).

If you try using this patched EXE, it should eliminate the "Nascar Heat is not designed for Windows 2000" popup that'll come up right before the game starts too:

themodsquad.uni.cc/downloads/Patched_NASCAR_Heat_EXEcutable.rar

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 19:53:24 GMT 2

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Post by BurnOut on Oct 21, 2009 19:53:24 GMT 2

Oct 21, 2009 0:09:26 GMT 2 Administrator said:

Oct 20, 2009 21:03:44 GMT 2 BurnOut said:

just need to find out why neither mod launcher or the Group C shortcut wont launch the mod.

Heat path is set right in registry ?

Check for HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Hasbro Interactive\NASCAR Heat , DataDirectory should point to the mods' base folder "C:\Program Files\Hasbro Interactive\NASCAR Heat" - unless you have installed the mods elsewhere

Not even a record for Hasbro Interactive in the registry.

EDIT: Added the key manually, this is what I get when using the mod shortcut. Heat launches but shows default game menus, music, drivers, etc, when trying to get into the practice session it crashes with this log:

27.17.875: ======================================================================
27.17.875: Aug 8 2000 11:40:33 N W32 M6 R dave_p
27.17.875: ======================================================================
27.17.922: Joystick 0: "Logitech MOMO Racing "
27.17.953: joy: Created x-effect
27.17.953: Created spring effect
27.17.953: Config Dir: C:\Program Files (x86)\Hasbro Interactive\NASCAR Heat\
27.18.198: ddraw: created directdraw with nvd3dum.dll (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260)
27.18.198: ddraw: version 0.0.0.0
27.18.791: vid: 64 meg card (reported:2671.519531)
27.18.791: vid: using AGP textures (1878), total: 64
27.18.830: vid: triple buffer on
27.18.974: mr: 3D performance: 6143 MPix/sec, 10121 KTris/sec
27.18.974: mr: fill rate is AWESOME, poly rate is AWESOME
27.19.021: bink(intro.bik): open failed (Error opening file.)
27.19.046: using sound mixer Sound
27.23.777: name = *Long_Beach.trk/trkshot.img, image = 4646d78
27.25.813: unloading ui: 64.0 MB
27.25.813: unloaded ui: 64.2 MB
27.25.818: loaded race: 66.2 MB
27.25.920: ghost: Loading trackline *Long_Beach.trk/Long_Beach.gcf (HeatMaster) [76.991547 sec]
27.25.921: setting driving video mode = 3
27.26.189: vid: triple buffer on
27.26.201: records: using actual track length: 3148.800000 m
27.26.201: skill_range_fudge!
27.26.202: oinker range: 5.0m ->120.2m
27.26.208: Using default car texture: car1.tex
27.26.212: res: ResourceGet("car24.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.217: res: ResourceGet("car3.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.221: res: ResourceGet("car43.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.225: res: ResourceGet("car88.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.228: res: ResourceGet("car12.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.232: res: ResourceGet("car8.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.237: res: ResourceGet("car28.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.241: res: ResourceGet("car22.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.245: res: ResourceGet("car6.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.249: res: ResourceGet("car20.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.253: res: ResourceGet("car99.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.257: res: ResourceGet("car40.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.261: res: ResourceGet("car2.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.265: res: ResourceGet("car17.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.270: res: ResourceGet("car5.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.274: Using default car texture: Stock1.tex
27.26.278: res: ResourceGet("Hood.tex") not found, returning NULL!
27.26.292: ======================================================================
27.26.292: () Panic: out of texture cache entries [293] (smoke.tex/0)
27.26.292: ======================================================================
27.26.292: NON-DEBUG
27.26.292: ( 004199D0 , none , my_handler )
27.26.292: ( 00419960 , EXCEPTION_BREAKPOINT , ? )

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Interesting thing is that I can run the game from the CD without installing :

Last Edit: Oct 21, 2009 20:29:23 GMT 2 by BurnOut

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 21:05:48 GMT 2

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Post by raybee1970 on Oct 21, 2009 21:05:48 GMT 2

See if you have a "patch.bin" in the main Nascar Heat folder. If you do, and you know it's patched up to 1.80 (which you should have if you installed Essentials)....then rename it to something else like "old_patch.bin" or something.....then stick this in there and unzip it:

themodsquad.uni.cc/downloads/patch1.80_vidtexturepoolhacked.zip

This is hacked patch.bin file that increases the amount of allowable textures used at once from 293 to 1024.

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 22:29:19 GMT 2

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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2009 22:29:19 GMT 2

i have never used xp or vista much less w7 so i cant offer any help software wise. but i wonder what is your video setup? i have nvidia 256 cards and i connect s video out direct to flat screen tv. BUT B4 i can launch the game from swiss knife thing i must open desktop properties, select setting then select advanced, then select adapter, then i must resest the screen resolution, 1st i reset to default, apply, accept, then i select optimum, apply, accept then press ok then ok again closing propeties screens. without that and going to heat launcher and launching game produces a blackscreen and system lockup leading to a crash shutdown and blu screen resart. also i should mention that while in desktop properties its good to select nvidia tab which opens all nvidia accessible video controll ajdustment
for user profiles. good luck

one last thing and i know this may shock u but power supply is a major issue. irregardless of whatever i recomend at minimun a 600w unit. with your 64 card u may squeeze by on 500. they are very cheap at tigerdirect.com but indispensible

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 23:03:03 GMT 2

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Post by raybee1970 on Oct 21, 2009 23:03:03 GMT 2

He's probably on something higher than a 64 MB card. Heat just reads all cards over 64 MB as the same. I have a 256 MB card and it shows as 64 MB for me in Heat too....but everything is maxxed out and shows "Awesome" on all my settings.

Just a little quirk in the game probably.

And certain tracks like Long Beach and Le Mans had a ton of textures in them, so trying to run with 43 cars on those 2 tracks would give an error....until Sucahyo made that little patch I posted above.

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 21, 2009 23:40:42 GMT 2

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Post by Administrator on Oct 21, 2009 23:40:42 GMT 2

The error msg on using mod shortcut indicates that Heat didn't load the mod resource files. PART.RES, to be precise, as that's where the missing file is in.

Which means that Heat couldn't locate the mod folder. Which probably means that it still misses it's DataDirectory setting and instead uses some buildin fallback default setting

Just a guess, but my best on this

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 22, 2009 1:32:45 GMT 2

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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 1:32:45 GMT 2

Wait track files go in the run file and itll automatically put the tracks on all mods? Ive been installing tracks to each mod individually for all this time!!!!!! Omg lmao...

Also sounds like your game isnt launching the mod burnout from your error log. Are your mods installed to heat mainfolder or RUN folder? It may simply be a ghostcar error or drivers.txt error.
Edit: also im not having trouble running heat on vista for my laptop which my dad occasionaly races of of. I could if worst came to worst upload my heat dirrectory somewheres for you. Only problem is i have to save drivers.txt to desktop and copy/paste into mod folder and overwrite because otherwise it says : cannot save file to path please choose a new....

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Installing Heat on Win7 64 bits Oct 22, 2009 1:46:24 GMT 2

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Post by raybee1970 on Oct 22, 2009 1:46:24 GMT 2

You can install tracks into mod folder, but for them to show up in ALL mods, you put them in the Run folder.

Now....if you have an edited track, and the original...you'd put the oirginal in the Run folder, and the edited one (can be the same name and all) in a mod folder, and the mod you are using will call up the one in the mod folder first.

But aside from that, most installs for tracks are pointed to go where they should be at.

Also....you can put a track.ini (made in Notepad) in a mod folder and list tracks in it that you only want that mod to run....and those will be all that will show up in your track list for that particular mod.

Don't worry though....some of you guys haven't been around Heat as long as some others, and don't know all the inner workings of Heat and stuff...so it's understandable if you didn't know all that stuff.

I've been around Heat for 9 years now (since it came out) and have seen a lot, helped a lot and worked on a lot of various things for folks. Cholerix has been around a pretty long time too...and Blaxman , DaveO, Crash and Burnout have been around a few years too.... so if you guys have questions on Heat, normally some of us can help answer that stuff. It's these new operating systems that has been the main cause of problems the past few years though.

Vista has been a major problem since the beginning for Heat though...and it sounds like Windows 7 is going to be the same way. But XP was an issue at one time too, just like Windows 2000 before it....but we made it through all that stuff.

Last Edit: Oct 22, 2009 1:48:23 GMT 2 by raybee1970

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Post by BurnOut on Oct 20, 2009 20:49:56 GMT 2

Post by BurnOut on Oct 20, 2009 21:03:44 GMT 2

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Post by Administrator on Oct 21, 2009 9:56:03 GMT 2

Post by raybee1970 on Oct 21, 2009 10:34:41 GMT 2

Post by BurnOut on Oct 21, 2009 11:19:59 GMT 2

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Post by BurnOut on Oct 21, 2009 19:53:24 GMT 2

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