Round 3 @ South City Classic

[triz]

Details:

Date: 3 September 2011
Time: 22:00 CET

Course: South City Classic

Duration: 46 laps

Server: SpeedSims

PW: Will be using the same password that we used during round 2.

A lil Reminder: One mandatory pit stop with full service; you must take 4 tires and fuel. Repairing damage is not mandatory. In case this is your first race with us, please read our rules on the main page : www.speedsims.net/fxr/fxr_rules.html

This is short track with a tricky narrow chicane so that will be challenging the first few laps Also when exitting the pits requires caution and some sensibility

If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to discuss it in this thread.

Happy Racing!!

[BurnOut]

and whats the pw? will be my first race this season

[Cholerix]

pw will be same as for rounds #1 and #2

Different to prvious races, we'll have a PACE LAP this time, with 0,5 sec gaps between cars. To avoid lap 1 pileups, which would be quite likely here

[DaveO]

Pace lap procedures.

0.5 second gaps between all cars.

Pace lap speed is 100 KPH aka 62 Mph.

It will be a single car line up for pace lap. Once the pole sitter crosses the start/finish line, the ADMIN will type in GO GO GO to officially start the race.

South City is notorious for having 1st lap accidents at the beginning of the race in turn 1. Races are not won in the 1st turn or during the 1st lap, lets all use a little bit of patience so that everyone has an enjoyable race. I also want to point out that overtaking at certain points on this track is very difficult and dangerous, so please do so with caution.

Also with lapped traffic please be extra patient with slower vs faster cars on the track.

just a reminder about our blue flag rules.

A car that is about to be lapped must yield to the lapping car at least within one lap by giving room for overtaking at first safe opportunity. Intentional "bumping away" a car at lapping that didn't make place at first sight however is not allowed under any circumstances and will be severely punished. Please obey all Blue Flags.

[broe]

Couldn`t see why we need a Pace lape the risk with T1 is the same.All cars want be first at corner and the chicane is the bigest problem,or did you think about traffic lights for controled passing it.
I hate that "GO GO GO" stuff why we didn`t start as normal with a standing start.

I must think about it but at the moment i have no intrest to take part at this child birthday.

[BurnOut]

If you cant understand why is better single file than double at t1, then yeah, goodbye and enjoy your party

[triz]

Aug 30, 2011 14:06:51 GMT 2 broe said:

Couldn`t see why we need a Pace lape the risk with T1 is the same.All cars want be first at corner and the chicane is the bigest problem,or did you think about traffic lights for controled passing it.
I hate that "GO GO GO" stuff why we didn`t start as normal with a standing start.

I must think about it but at the moment i have no intrest to take part at this child birthday.

I am sorry to read this. The first 2 races went well without any real problems. Since we want to continue that record we start with a pacelap. Anyway, its up to you. You're always welcome to race with us, it's not manditory though.

cheers,

Triz

[DaveO]

I'm not sure how many of you have done league races or for that matter pickup races with the FXR at South City. But myself and a few of us HAVE. And I can tell you that first lap carnage at this track does happen!

Having a pace lap, is to help prevent the exact thing that we are talking about. If you think NOT having a pace lap at a race to help prevent this type of thing from happening, then something is 100 percent wrong. Tell me wouldn't you rather survive the first lap headaches at this track and be able to enjoy the entire race?

Well anyhow I hope you enjoy your party.. I'm going racing. ;D

[broe]

My first post was a bit hard.

I Have don a lot of races at SO and all races with this corner combo (first T1 second Chikane) are exiting and tricki at Start.
And I explain it a bit later why I think all this wouldn´t bring more safty in the Start.The only way for a safe Start at this track is all start from Pit with a second gap,the rest brings only new problems.

Problems I see with this new rule:

1. Grid is to streched at start when every car have a 0.5 gap.We have a 40sec lap and with a 0.5gap for 20 cars ar 10sec. long feld much to large.

2.May be that we have not so much truble at T1.(I don´t beleve it straigt is to long to hold the gap,and all would try to win the rest of the gap at the brake point from T1). And at the chikane we have the next and old problem.

When we would hold the Start rekord then talk to the Drivers befor we start the race,thats for me the most efectife way.

Or Start the race at a total different point may be on the long "downhill straight" at Pit entry, so we could duble up.

[Cholerix]

The problem with South City track is quite simple: concrete walls left and right

Which means that in the very likely case of things becoming delicate inT1, there's no place left or right. Cars that run wide or get punted, even only slightly, will run into the wall and bounce back to the track. And THATS why the risk of getting a pile up in first turns at SO is much higher than on any other other LFS track.

To avoid the risk, usual way (in real life as well, btw) is starting single file, after having run a pace lap

ah, and btw, since pace lap is run at speed limit, your math of how long the field will be stretched is more than just slightly wrong

[triz]

There is only one SO track on the list. I think if people want 100% safety they should race on ovals or something

For me SO poses a challenge to keep on the track. That means racecraft. I think its possible to race here. It makes a nice break from all the other tracks where mistakes arent punished that hard. I am hoping that my fellow racers are sensible enough to make this race possible. If its going to be a mess, then that should say enough, but i have good faith it'll go alright. And helping that is a single file pacelap. We're going to race this race one way or the other.

cheers,

Triz

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Aug 30, 2011 3:47:17 GMT 2 DaveO said:

Pace lap procedures.
0.5 second gaps between all cars.

Thats about 2 car lenghts distance between cars @ 100km/h right?
Maybe too much, imo.. but it will insure no overtaking attempts before t1 for sure.

[DaveO]

Aug 31, 2011 16:42:01 GMT 2 fadeaway said:

Aug 30, 2011 3:47:17 GMT 2 DaveO said:

Pace lap procedures.
0.5 second gaps between all cars.

it will insure no overtaking attempts before t1 for sure.

The reason behind a pace lap, has been explained a few times. But hopefully this helps us NOT having a ton of carnage during lap 1.

I've raced in so many races with .5 second gaps, I've never heard anyone having a problem or any issues with it in past LFS series, or for that matter in any sim I've raced. And I've even seen guys who started dead last make the podium, and even WIN races!

If everyone uses a little bit of patience and "heads up driving" everything should work out fine. It's the guys who are WAY to aggressive at the start of the race that will cause problems. So if we all use a little bit of patience, hopefully it will work out fine.

[sniperg1]

Rule dictatorship is Ok for me.

I´m really slow on this track, so I saw my chance in hard racing opponents killing each other. Now this chane is gone, but I´ll get my fun here too.

But isn´t it better to use 78 km/h for pace lap? So we can use the limiter.
Anyway I think it´s to late for rule changing again.

Some here were talking about the gap in maximum between 1st and last car:
A crach in T1 form car 5 and 6 will give a much bigger gap for the end of the field to leader.
So everybody can manage it in qualify to the first one.

btw: good luck to every racer.

[DaveO]

Please refer to this thread.

speedsims.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fxrmini&action=display&thread=1080