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Post by DaveO on Nov 17, 2012 15:20:07 GMT 2
Most likely won't be able to attend today's Dover Downs race.  |
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Post by humty on Nov 18, 2012 0:01:19 GMT 2
RACE RESULTS
Track: Dover Downs SP
Laps: 125
Realism: Hardcore
AI Strength: Medium
Rules: None
Pos Car Driver Result Best Lap Laps Led
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1 740 Patch 43:13,401 19.087 119
2 901 cruisectrl +4.483 19.112 6
3 982 Triz +1L 19.181 0
4 524 Chris +2L 19.226 0
5 714 Rob +3L 19.039 0
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Post by grumpy on Nov 18, 2012 6:53:19 GMT 2
Is it still possible to get a provisopnal for this race?
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Post by triz on Nov 18, 2012 12:08:46 GMT 2
Is it still possible to get a provisopnal for this race? Sure thing! cheers, Triz |
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Post by cooknl on Nov 21, 2012 11:43:34 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals,
Why ask for a provisional AFTER the race is run??
Sure the obvious reason is you can see only 5 people ran in the race
so, if I understand it right, you will get points in this case for 6th place.
Highly UNFAIR imo. If you ask for provisional BEFORE the race is run then i still dont think provisional should be an option.
I realise that the provisional option can be used but i thought it was for if you ran all the races except ONE due to circumstances you have to miss a race, you can then apply for a provisional, not if you only have run 2 out of 6 races.
IMO we should not even have the provisional option. There are no good reasons to give someone points in a series that does not run most the races.
Anyway if anyone can explain why this has to be done I am all ears, maybe I see it totally wrong.
Rob
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Post by spike on Nov 21, 2012 15:28:55 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, Why ask for a provisional AFTER the race is run?? Sure the obvious reason is you can see only 5 people ran in the race so, if I understand it right, you will get points in this case for 6th place. Highly UNFAIR imo. If you ask for provisional BEFORE the race is run then i still dont think provisional should be an option. I realise that the provisional option can be used but i thought it was for if you ran all the races except ONE due to circumstances you have to miss a race, you can then apply for a provisional, not if you only have run 2 out of 6 races. IMO we should not even have the provisional option. There are no good reasons to give someone points in a series that does not run most the races. Anyway if anyone can explain why this has to be done I am all ears, maybe I see it totally wrong. Rob What if someone can't get online for reasons outside of their control till after the race was run? Provisionals in limited numbers, say for 2 races, is a good backup for racers who wish to run the complete series but cannot make races for any various reason such as no electricity, sickness, real life etc... |
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Post by raybee1970 on Nov 21, 2012 15:44:06 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, Why ask for a provisional AFTER the race is run?? Sure the obvious reason is you can see only 5 people ran in the race so, if I understand it right, you will get points in this case for 6th place. Highly UNFAIR imo. If you ask for provisional BEFORE the race is run then i still dont think provisional should be an option. I realise that the provisional option can be used but i thought it was for if you ran all the races except ONE due to circumstances you have to miss a race, you can then apply for a provisional, not if you only have run 2 out of 6 races. IMO we should not even have the provisional option. There are no good reasons to give someone points in a series that does not run most the races. Anyway if anyone can explain why this has to be done I am all ears, maybe I see it totally wrong. Rob What if someone can't get online for reasons outside of their control till after the race was run? Provisionals in limited numbers, say for 2 races, is a good backup for racers who wish to run the complete series but cannot make races for any various reason such as no electricity, sickness, real life etc... Or for lack of promotion for the series races, because everyone can't remember races are supposed to be ran if no one is advertising a day ahead of time, or the day of the race at least, that a race is set to be ran. Provisionals are used to keep people in the points championship, and sometimes situations may arise where a racer has family come in to visit from out of town and instead of telling those visitors... "Sorry folks, I have a race to run here in a minute"... they can take a provisional and not be eliminated from the points race due to situations beyond their control. Not everyone can make each and every race due to a variety of issues that could come up. Sick children, sick wife or girlfriend and/or hospital visits, out of town company, natural disasters, late getting home from their job or something, forgetting.... the list goes on and on. |
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Post by cooknl on Nov 21, 2012 15:44:42 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, .quote] What if someone can't get online for reasons outside of their control till after the race was run? Provisionals in limited numbers, say for 2 races, is a good backup for racers who wish to run the complete series but cannot make races for any various reason such as no electricity, sickness, real life etc... Ok I understand that Spike, But in this case he only has run 2 out of 6 races run sofar with 2 more to go. That is where i dont think it makes sense. Rob |
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Post by raybee1970 on Nov 21, 2012 15:46:36 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, .quote] What if someone can't get online for reasons outside of their control till after the race was run? Provisionals in limited numbers, say for 2 races, is a good backup for racers who wish to run the complete series but cannot make races for any various reason such as no electricity, sickness, real life etc... Ok I understand that Spike, But in this case he only has run 2 out of 6 races run sofar with 2 more to go. That is where i dont think it makes sense. Rob And so you want to alienate him so he no longer wishes to run at all with you guys, huh? |
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Post by Blaxman on Nov 21, 2012 17:32:14 GMT 2
Ok I understand that Spike, But in this case he only has run 2 out of 6 races run sofar with 2 more to go. That is where i dont think it makes sense. Rob And so you want to alienate him so he no longer wishes to run at all with you guys, huh? I think this is the point!! We are supposed to want people racing with us as much as possible. People tends to get more interested in keep racing when they feel they still stand a chance to improve in points even if they got occasionally catch by some unfortunate event and missed a race or two during the season. Additionally, I personally see the provisionals as a sportsmanship practice....  A simple way to kept the fairness factor is setting a maximum amount of provisionals someone can get.  |
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Post by DaveO on Nov 21, 2012 18:14:05 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, .quote] What if someone can't get online for reasons outside of their control till after the race was run? Provisionals in limited numbers, say for 2 races, is a good backup for racers who wish to run the complete series but cannot make races for any various reason such as no electricity, sickness, real life etc... Ok I understand that Spike, But in this case he only has run 2 out of 6 races run sofar with 2 more to go. That is where i dont think it makes sense. Rob Hey Rob, As you are well aware Chris and Triz are the series admins for the WGTC series. Now per the rules of this series. In case a driver is not able to make it to a race or hasn't finished a race, a provisional can also be used. Every driver has the right to have one provisional in the series. A provisional will be equal to last place points.This rule has been in effect since the series started.. So it does not matter if you have raced 1 race or half a dozen races. Each driver is allowed ONEprovisional for the series.. Also it is the drivers responsibility to either post on the forum that they will need a provisional for a race or pm the series admin and let them know they would like to use a provisional for a race. Reasons for having provisionals is because of real life things happening in peoples lives, plus it also keeps them in the points standings. Now if you look at me. I've used my 1 provisional. Plus I've missed more then one race, you don't hear me whining about not getting any points for missing more then one race, do you? No, because it's about having fun, but also at the same time respecting the rules in a given series of how they do things. I don't even know why you even posted about this, since it's been in the rules since the series started, Or you could of private message Chris or Triz. Don't create a mountain out of a mole hill guys.. Plus I also think Rob, is just not use to having provisionals. Rob, it's something Chris and Triz decided to try with this one series,and thought they would give it a try. Since they know MOST heat leagues do give there drivers so many provisionals for a given series. |
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Post by grumpy on Nov 22, 2012 0:03:30 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, Why ask for a provisional AFTER the race is run?? Sure the obvious reason is you can see only 5 people ran in the race so, if I understand it right, you will get points in this case for 6th place. Highly UNFAIR imo. If you ask for provisional BEFORE the race is run then i still dont think provisional should be an option. I realise that the provisional option can be used but i thought it was for if you ran all the races except ONE due to circumstances you have to miss a race, you can then apply for a provisional, not if you only have run 2 out of 6 races. IMO we should not even have the provisional option. There are no good reasons to give someone points in a series that does not run most the races. Anyway if anyone can explain why this has to be done I am all ears, maybe I see it totally wrong. Rob Look If I had known asking was gonna cause this much of a out roar I wouldn't have done it in the first place. As for only making 2 races, well since time was changed from 5pm to 4pm est. It is very hard for me to make every 4pm race. I understand it was 4pm before it was switched to 5pm. I work every Saturday and I am very lucky to evan make it home before 3:30pm. As for the provisionals I was just asking actually it is the first time I had ever asked for a Saturday race. I thank Triz and Chris for granting it but I will be ok with them taking it away. It's not like I am in contention for a championship anyway. As for Dover Cruisectrl had sent me a great setup. For which I have thanked him many times for. I evan had a pit strategy figured out. I had planned on being at that race. My daughter does competitive gymnastics and was at her meet all day Saturday and Sunday. There was just no way for me to make the race as her events ran longer than it was expected (which is very common in gymnastics). Anyway hope I can make the race Saturday cause cruisectrl has built me a setup for Dayton2 |
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Post by triz on Nov 22, 2012 18:33:02 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, Why ask for a provisional AFTER the race is run?? Sure the obvious reason is you can see only 5 people ran in the race so, if I understand it right, you will get points in this case for 6th place. Highly UNFAIR imo. If you ask for provisional BEFORE the race is run then i still dont think provisional should be an option. I realise that the provisional option can be used but i thought it was for if you ran all the races except ONE due to circumstances you have to miss a race, you can then apply for a provisional, not if you only have run 2 out of 6 races. IMO we should not even have the provisional option. There are no good reasons to give someone points in a series that does not run most the races. Anyway if anyone can explain why this has to be done I am all ears, maybe I see it totally wrong. Rob Look If I had known asking was gonna cause this much of a out roar I wouldn't have done it in the first place. As for only making 2 races, well since time was changed from 5pm to 4pm est. It is very hard for me to make every 4pm race. I understand it was 4pm before it was switched to 5pm. I work every Saturday and I am very lucky to evan make it home before 3:30pm. As for the provisionals I was just asking actually it is the first time I had ever asked for a Saturday race. I thank Triz and Chris for granting it but I will be ok with them taking it away. It's not like I am in contention for a championship anyway. As for Dover Cruisectrl had sent me a great setup. For which I have thanked him many times for. I evan had a pit strategy figured out. I had planned on being at that race. My daughter does competitive gymnastics and was at her meet all day Saturday and Sunday. There was just no way for me to make the race as her events ran longer than it was expected (which is very common in gymnastics). Anyway hope I can make the race Saturday cause cruisectrl has built me a setup for Dayton2 This only gotten now to my attention, and for that I apologize. Also I apologize for the fact that these series hasn't been advertised while it's running. I know that Chris is busy for a fact, and so am I. Still I understand it only takes minutes of time to bring the races to everyone's attention. Why this is not happening... Lack of time, didnt think of it... you name it, again my apologies for that. Now as for the "discussion" about provisionals... It has been in the rules that the driver is allowed one provisional in the series. Which race that is, is up to the racer himself. It is not meant to have an advantage over others, and with having only one provisional, I don't see how someone can. EVERYONE has the right for a provisional, and when you run the race, you are rewarded because you probably get more points in the case of being last... you get the same amount if you didn't run. So a driver who runs always get's more points then the one who takes the provisional for that race. Simple. I don't see why there should be a discussion about that. It's the drivers choice to take the provisional and the provisional is purely to try to keep the series interesting even if you miss a race. That was it's intention. Rob, you ran last race, got your points... Taking a provisional Grumpy didn't get more points then you, did he? When he chose not to run? So what's the deal? None. He used up his provisional. Granted if there were more people racing that race, he'd get less points, but hey... You ended up last out of 5 too and got more points too then when you'd end up last having 6, 7 or 8 drivers. So to me, it all makes perfect sense, and I think if we ever run another series again, we'll keep this rule... Now if only we'd advertise it a bit more so more people would stay... another lesson learned. Anyway, I hope to see Grumpy (and many others) on Daytona in a couple of weeks. I'll try to advertise this one a bit more. Cheers n keep racing, Triz |
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Post by triz on Nov 22, 2012 18:50:05 GMT 2
RE: Provisionals, Why ask for a provisional AFTER the race is run?? Sure the obvious reason is you can see only 5 people ran in the race so, if I understand it right, you will get points in this case for 6th place. Highly UNFAIR imo. If you ask for provisional BEFORE the race is run then i still dont think provisional should be an option. I realise that the provisional option can be used but i thought it was for if you ran all the races except ONE due to circumstances you have to miss a race, you can then apply for a provisional, not if you only have run 2 out of 6 races. IMO we should not even have the provisional option. There are no good reasons to give someone points in a series that does not run most the races. Anyway if anyone can explain why this has to be done I am all ears, maybe I see it totally wrong. Rob Oh and one more thing. Having this type of discussion out in public is far from what is desireable. If you have a problem with the rules you could have even called me or Chris/send us a pm clarifying the rules, rather cause an 'uproar'. Grumpy, don't feel burdened. You asked for the provisional and thats very correct. You deserve it like any other person, whether you race 1 or all races. cheers, Triz I now close this discussion. |
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