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Post by Cholerix on Nov 7, 2013 16:42:20 GMT 2
Only now noticed that you sure about that ? That's 1AM here in Europe ! And means having to be up until about 3AM from my experience It would make it quite a struggle to join even only few of the races for anyone in Europe with a private life. And rather kind of impossible for me, I'm unhappy to say When did the usual race start window from all the past years move 3h (!!!) on ??
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Post by DaveO on Nov 7, 2013 16:59:44 GMT 2
Only now noticed that you sure about that ? That's 1AM here in Europe ! And means having to be up until about 3AM from my experience It would make it quite a struggle to join even only few of the races for anyone in Europe with a private life. And rather kind of impossible for me, I'm unhappy to say When did the usual race start window from all the past years move 3h (!!!) on ?? Hey Mate, We still have races and series that run at the normal 22:00 and or 23:00 CET. Please take note of the Modena series. I can understand you being upset with the start time of 7pm Eastern time. Since this is your mod and your hard work.. Seriously I can totally understand you being upset.. But you also have to keep in mind that the race time for series in the end is up to the race admins of the series... They are one's doing the hard work of maintaining the series. I'm just doing the update of site work for the actual series.. Karl, it's there series mate.. I'm just happy there are guys that want to take on the resp. of running series, and to help keep the spirit of SpeedSims going! I'm totally buried with modding and track work.. I wish you were around more to help out.. But I'm only one guy bud.
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Post by DaveO on Nov 7, 2013 18:02:04 GMT 2
Heck even thou I'm not racing. I would be tickled pink and honored if these guys ever decided to race the SCP mod online again!!
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Post by triz on Nov 7, 2013 18:08:39 GMT 2
There is a shift going on to the America's for race attendance... Before there were alot more Europeans active in series... Since quite a few have become less active, or inactive, i guess there is less incentive to keep us Europeans in mind for race time. This is ofcourse on one hand understandable... However if this shift continues and times shift with that, and it becomes unpractical for us to join, then you will lose the remaining Europeans as attendees as well. Not because we dont want to race, but simply because the times just don't work. To me we havent gotten to that point yet. But it's pretty much the most stretched time I could do. Times past 1 AM won't work for me, especially knowing that the next morning a little punk is jumping up and down next to my bed! cheers, Triz
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Post by DaveO on Nov 7, 2013 18:24:25 GMT 2
There is a shift going on to the America's for race attendance... Before there were alot more Europeans active in the series... Since quite a few have become less active, or inactive, i guess there is less incentive to keep us Europeans in mind for race time. This is ofcourse on one hand understandable... However if this shift continues and times shift with that, and it becomes unpractical for us to join, then you will lose the remaining Europeans as attendees as well. Not because we dont want to race, but simply because the times just don't work. To me we havent gotten to that point yet. But it's pretty much the most stretched time I could do. Times past 1 AM won't work for me, especially knowing that the next morning a little punk is jumping up and down next to my bed! cheers, Triz Triz, I know your already running a series and modding a bit with the Elise mod, plus wanting a private life on top of it.. Please keep in mind it's the first ever series coming out of SS, with a SS mod that the race time is later then normal.. So, I would say it's not a norm. But just something different...
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Post by triz on Nov 7, 2013 18:27:52 GMT 2
Not entirely... we had series in the past where people asked to do it an hour later. And we went along. Before race time was 10 CET, now races are 11 CET... This series is 1 AM... So the trend is going "up" so to speak. Just want to make sure the trend stops at 1 AM
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Post by DaveO on Nov 7, 2013 18:33:25 GMT 2
Not entirely... we had series in the past where people asked to do it an hour later. And we went along. Before race time was 10 CET, now races are 11 CET... This series is 1 AM... So the trend is going "up" so to speak. Just want to make sure the trend stops at 1 AM Well okay, it's always has bounced around between 22:00 and 23:00 CET since way back to the beginning, more towards 10pm.. That just an hour. I'm talking more along the lines of this big jump to 1am.. But, no worries it will never get any later then the 1am time.. Also remember this it's just for this series. I'm sure in the future will have an Elise series at 10 or 11 CET time like normal. Plus another SCP mod series again... So, please let your mind rest at ease.
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Post by Cholerix on Nov 7, 2013 19:15:10 GMT 2
I can understand you being upset with the start time of 7pm Eastern time. Since this is your mod and your hard work.. Seriously I can totally understand you being upset.. I am NOT upset, but simply pretty sorry I won't be able to participate But it has nothing to do with this mod being made by me Frankly put, IMO moving start times in a way that makes this kind of some kind of " America only" racing makes it take the wrong turn. There's a reason we had a different start time all the time - and it was never to make it more comfortable for the admins. Else it would most of the time have been rather something early afternoon european time, not 10 pm CET. This was always about to enable at least (!) people from both sides of the atlantic ocean to join Which, btw, actually has always been the spirit of this site, if we are talking about that
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Post by DaveO on Nov 7, 2013 19:27:47 GMT 2
I can understand you being upset with the start time of 7pm Eastern time. Since this is your mod and your hard work.. Seriously I can totally understand you being upset.. I am NOT upset, but simply pretty sorry I won't be able to participate But it has nothing to do with this mod being made by me Frankly put, IMO moving start times in a way that makes this kind of some kind of " America only" racing makes it take the wrong turn. There's a reason we had a different start time all the time - and it was never to make it more comfortable for the admins. Else it would most of the time have been rather something early afternoon european time, not 10 pm CET. This was always about to enable at least (!) people from both sides of the atlantic ocean to join Which, btw, actually has always been the spirit of this site, if we are talking about thatKarl go to private messages..
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Post by raybee1970 on Nov 7, 2013 19:45:10 GMT 2
I can understand you being upset with the start time of 7pm Eastern time. Since this is your mod and your hard work.. Seriously I can totally understand you being upset.. I am NOT upset, but simply pretty sorry I won't be able to participate But it has nothing to do with this mod being made by me Frankly put, IMO moving start times in a way that makes this kind of some kind of " America only" racing makes it take the wrong turn. There's a reason we had a different start time all the time - and it was never to make it more comfortable for the admins. Else it would most of the time have been rather something early afternoon european time, not 10 pm CET. This was always about to enable at least (!) people from both sides of the atlantic ocean to join Which, btw, actually has always been the spirit of this site, if we are talking about thatThe "spirit" of this site was always road racing. Not about which countrymen come to run the series. Although I am just an observer here, I do see the reasoning behind time changes sometimes. There are so few Europeans showing up to race (Triz and Humpty), that to get any kind of turnout at all, they need to attract drivers from the U.S..... of which the admins running this particular series are from. It is those admins running series here who are trying to help keep Speedsims alive, and are trying their best to show their support for road racing on a regular basis out of this site. When the lead admin here (you Karl) is not showing up very much, at least others are stepping up to keep things rolling. They are showing their support, no matter what times it is or what mod or track it is they are running. Compromise should be rule number 1 Sometimes you have to compromise if you want any kind of decent turnout. I'm sure if only 3 guys raced, that wouldn't be a very good turnout, would it?
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Post by ucrdoh on Nov 8, 2013 2:23:22 GMT 2
I'm going to chime in on this, hopefully clear some things up. There was no intention of cutting out the euro guys from racing with me. In fact, I wanted the European guys to race with me, and I have nothing but the utmost respect for them. I picked this time for a few reasons. One, my new job i work when the normal speedsims race would take place. I don't think my bosses would understand me taking in a steering wheel to work. When I talked to my co-admin about it, we thought this would be an ok time for you guys, this was an error on my part. I didn't realize Europe was farther out, and have more time zones than I realized. I live on the west coast, so I'm even farther back than you guys across the ocean. All in all, I tried to do the best for everyone. This seemed like the best time for me, and I did the best I could to accommodate everyone. I failed in that regard, and I apologize. I'm not going to change it though, especially at this point. I really hope you guys can make it. I think this will be a fun series with a different challenge each race.
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Post by triz on Nov 8, 2013 10:23:11 GMT 2
Hey, It's not about saying the time is wrong, just trying to state that stretching it further would make it very difficult for me personally to join. Since Dave said it won't become any later then that, then it's no problem for me. I too want a filled field, and I am willing to sacrifice some sleep on it. I guess a 10pm - 1 am window is what it is at most. I know Chris (humty) has no trouble with it, and I don't so no need for me to change it. All I tried to make sure is not to make it shift more You did your best to accomodate as many people as you could. We live in a timezone stretch of like 10 hours? So it is difficult to find a right time in any way! I remember though that we had a speed daemon, alien from Aussie... He raced like times early in the morning! And attended the races just as well. All in all, don't worry, to me its fine. I am looking forward to race this series, it has an exciting schedule! cheers, Triz
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Post by Cholerix on Nov 8, 2013 11:56:32 GMT 2
The "spirit" of this site was always road racing. Not about which countrymen come to run the series. Com'on Ray - you don't really try to tell me what the spirit of this site has always been about ? Because this would be pretty funny - I cannot even recall to you have ever seen you in any of our races, while I had set done the administration work for most of them. So basically if there's someone who should definitely be able to tell about that spirit, that one would be me. If it had just been about road racing, we could have done it all offline, like you. Instead we had always cared to support each and everyone to make it possible for them to join. We even had moved racedays to support the guys from down under when that had been no more than 2 or at best times 3 guys. And actually you are even wrong about not caring which "countrymen come to run". This site is based in Europe for some good reason. You wanna change that ? No problem, you just have to take it over with full responsibility When the lead admin here (you Karl) is not showing up very much, I'm no more lead admin since quite a while, if you have not noticed. I just keep paying the monthly fee for running the site server at least others are stepping up to keep things rolling. Means that from your point of view it is no more approbiate (for me and anyone else who does not regularly join races today) to be critical aloud if things turn out in a way that one does not like ? Another part of the spirit of this site and forum has always been that people SHOULD make up their mind. Tell others your mind and be constructive on things that you think should be done differently and maybe even better. Or ask why things are done that way. So far, that's what I just do, as a simple member of that site and forum. Anything wrong with that ? Sometimes you have to compromise if you want any kind of decent turnout. I'm sure if only 3 guys raced, that wouldn't be a very good turnout, would it? I cannot even count the number of races that I have set up and maintained, even in a time when it was more than just a little tricky to get numbers of drivers in, so please don't tell me what it is about I appreciate Ucrdoh's reply and answer on my initial question, as that was excatly all what I was up for
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Post by DaveO on Nov 8, 2013 18:00:47 GMT 2
The "spirit" of this site was always road racing. Not about which countrymen come to run the series. Com'on Ray - you don't really try to tell me what the spirit of this site has always been about ? Because this would be pretty funny - I cannot even recall to you have ever seen you in any of our races, while I had set done the administration work for most of them. So basically if there's someone who should definitely be able to tell about that spirit, that one would be me. If it had just been about road racing, we could have done it all offline, like you. Instead we had always cared to support each and everyone to make it possible for them to join. We even had moved racedays to support the guys from down under when that had been no more than 2 or at best times 3 guys. And actually you are even wrong about not caring which "countrymen come to run". This site is based in Europe for some good reason. You wanna change that ? No problem, you just have to take it over with full responsibility When the lead admin here (you Karl) is not showing up very much, I'm no more lead admin since quite a while, if you have not noticed. I just keep paying the monthly fee for running the site server at least others are stepping up to keep things rolling. Means that from your point of view it is no more approbiate (for me and anyone else who does not regularly join races today) to be critical aloud if things turn out in a way that one does not like ? Another part of the spirit of this site and forum has always been that people SHOULD make up their mind. Tell others your mind and be constructive on things that you think should be done differently and maybe even better. Or ask why things are done that way. So far, that's what I just do, as a simple member of that site and forum. Anything wrong with that ? Sometimes you have to compromise if you want any kind of decent turnout. I'm sure if only 3 guys raced, that wouldn't be a very good turnout, would it? I cannot even count the number of races that I have set up and maintained, even in a time when it was more than just a little tricky to get numbers of drivers in, so please don't tell me what it is about I appreciate Ucrdoh's reply and answer on my initial question, as that was excatly all what I was up for Karl, I've been paying for LFS servers, heat servers, and vent servers for a very long time too. But, I don't voice that type of stuff out loud. Reason is it's not my style, and I just help to keep the community going.. Plus I've done my fair share around here since 2007. Now this entire conversation was about starting times. Which Ucrdoh has posted and given his reasons.. So as of right now end of discussion regarding that. Karl, we are going to let these guys, continue to have fun with racing there series tomorrow as planned!!!! At this moment I'm in no mood for any type of pissing contest with anyone.. We are going to let these guys have fun with racing and maintaining there series like they have been doing!!! In a few days from now Karl, you will be getting a pm from me so we can have a private discussion. Which I think will be said in private, not on a forum.. Because right now, I don't think it would be wise for me to say one word, with the mood I'm in. cya's
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Post by raybee1970 on Nov 8, 2013 20:14:14 GMT 2
Com'on Ray - you don't really try to tell me what the spirit of this site has always been about ? Because this would be pretty funny - I cannot even recall to you have ever seen you in any of our races, while I had set done the administration work for most of them. So basically if there's someone who should definitely be able to tell about that spirit, that one would be me. If it had just been about road racing, we could have done it all offline, like you. Instead we had always cared to support each and everyone to make it possible for them to join. We even had moved racedays to support the guys from down under when that had been no more than 2 or at best times 3 guys. And actually you are even wrong about not caring which "countrymen come to run". This site is based in Europe for some good reason. You wanna change that ? No problem, you just have to take it over with full responsibility Now tell me exactly what me showing up to race online has to do with anything? I have always been a supporter of this site, and also a supporter of you, Karl... even when things went bad, in case you've forgotten. OK... so the site is based in Europe. I think we all know you are from Germany by now. I'm no more lead admin since quite a while, if you have not noticed. I just keep paying the monthly fee for running the site server Oh... I've noticed alright. It might be better if I just said that and leave it at that. Means that from your point of view it is no more approbiate (for me and anyone else who does not regularly join races today) to be critical aloud if things turn out in a way that one does not like ? Another part of the spirit of this site and forum has always been that people SHOULD make up their mind. Tell others your mind and be constructive on things that you think should be done differently and maybe even better. Or ask why things are done that way. So far, that's what I just do, as a simple member of that site and forum. Anything wrong with that ? Kind of funny and odd at the same time that exactly what you say there, is all I was doing myself. Just being critical aloud. Hey.... thanks for that right. I cannot even count the number of races that I have set up and maintained, even in a time when it was more than just a little tricky to get numbers of drivers in, so please don't tell me what it is about Fair enough. But for the record, I was not questioning what you had done in the past. Only what you are doing now.... I appreciate Ucrdoh's reply and answer on my initial question, as that was excatly all what I was up for Bravo.
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