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Oct 11, 2011 21:19:14 GMT 2
Post by DaveO on Oct 11, 2011 21:19:14 GMT 2
But can we do that with both classes racing together at the same time? GT2, and GT3 together. Well for example in LFS, they do multi class races, but they do what's called engine restrictions to balance out the different types of classes. Now would we do something like that with heat? I'm not to sure we would do something like that. That's something I would need to discuss with Karl one on one. But right now were basically just wanting to get feedback from you guys on what you guys would like to see in the future.
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Oct 11, 2011 21:31:32 GMT 2
Post by ucrdoh on Oct 11, 2011 21:31:32 GMT 2
Well I'm sorta trailing off from that point, so I'll bring it back. Whatever you guys do, I'll try to be there. I know that you guys are open to suggestion. You guys did do special events this year, which have had varying degrees of success. You guys have been fun to race with, I think two of my favorite races I ran was with you guys, even though the wins were fun, the indycar race at sebring holding off Dave was fun, and the first Kylami race beating Ron and Karl to the line. That was awesome. I can't wait to do more of that. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Oct 11, 2011 21:51:40 GMT 2
Post by triz on Oct 11, 2011 21:51:40 GMT 2
Yes... it's basically what I meant. I would just stretch the lead series to at least 10 months. Just 7 months would still get you 5 months with low (or none) activity on the website/league. The drivers tend to disappear if no race or series is being ran. You gotta keep the low activity season to a minimum to avoid the disbanding. . Ah, I get it... Kinda like what NHRL does with there in house mods, like they do for there NBS series or Bov's cup mod. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Well you picked out a kick a$$ mod to do it with.. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) The Shelby mod I could see myself racing that, like you mentioned. And if two people were admins for the series, they each can cover one another if they happen to miss a race one week. Something like that could work with two guys being the admin's for the series. I for one could race the Shelby mod forever. It's such a fun and well balanced mod. Also I like the idea of having it stretched throughout the year. I know that there are fears though that people will tail off once a long stretched is going for a while. We've seen it happen over and over again with every series we organise: The first race is a full grid and gradually it gets less and less. But then we haven't tried a long run series for the whole year before. Maybe that'll attract more drivers. There are really some nice ideas being born here, and I sincerely hope in the end we'll have a great package deal for the year. I like the multiclass idea given there are enough people to join in. In the end we got plenty of mods to run, and even more tracks to run them on! And ofcourse, quality is a main thing to go for. Finding a nice balance between quantity and quality is one to go for. Since our adminning of the races is quite strict, i think that'll work fine for quality assuarance. cheers, Triz
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Oct 12, 2011 2:09:09 GMT 2
Post by spike on Oct 12, 2011 2:09:09 GMT 2
I am also for a long running series with either Shelby or Group C with maybe 1-2 races a month. Running one from February to October would be good and take the busy holiday season of November - January off for a shorter series or a few special events. As for running different classes at once that could be very interesting especially if the SCGTS GT1's are released for 2012. some of the rookies could take keys to GT3's or GT2's and learn while more experienced drivers could take the reigns of the more powerful and faster GT1's and as long as 2 or more drivers are in a class they could battle for a class win. Or could just do one heck of a special event with multiple classes such as an hour long endurance race @ Lemans or Sebring or the new Daytona roadcourse etc...
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Oct 12, 2011 14:46:08 GMT 2
Post by Cholerix on Oct 12, 2011 14:46:08 GMT 2
Also, I know I said something about Grand Am, and perhaps it could be part of the multi mod experience, but I think what can draw people in, are the mods the are exclusive to heat, Shelby in Particular. I could be wrong on the other ones, so if someone wants to tell me if Group C is heat oriented. I know people have mentioned about converting it. Yes, that has been mentioned, and asked for permission too. That permission has even been given, at least for GroupC and SCGTS, to certain folks. But looks like converting Heat mods to GTR2 or rF is way more work and much less easily done than those folks expected it to be ;D Which is why I think it very unlikely you'll ever see any of those mods in any other game but Heat
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Oct 12, 2011 23:54:25 GMT 2
Post by A. Kline on Oct 12, 2011 23:54:25 GMT 2
I would love to see another Shelby season with a longer season, with the back to back short races, with no pitting. Those 2 weeks I did of racing with them were probably the funnest races I've had in Sim Racing! ;D
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Oct 13, 2011 0:27:35 GMT 2
Post by ucrdoh on Oct 13, 2011 0:27:35 GMT 2
Also, I know I said something about Grand Am, and perhaps it could be part of the multi mod experience, but I think what can draw people in, are the mods the are exclusive to heat, Shelby in Particular. I could be wrong on the other ones, so if someone wants to tell me if Group C is heat oriented. I know people have mentioned about converting it. Yes, that has been mentioned, and asked for permission too. That permission has even been given, at least for GroupC and SCGTS, to certain folks. But looks like converting Heat mods to GTR2 or rF is way more work and much less easily done than those folks expected it to be ;D Which is why I think it very unlikely you'll ever see any of those mods in any other game but Heat Well in some ways that's a good thing. I wonder if exclusivity helps. I guess we'll find out.
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Oct 13, 2011 0:46:06 GMT 2
Post by raybee1970 on Oct 13, 2011 0:46:06 GMT 2
Well in some ways that's a good thing. I wonder if exclusivity helps. I guess we'll find out. It is better sometimes to share things between various games, if you are asked permission to do so. You may get something better in return... like we've got with new Camping World Trucks we're working with now. Because we helped out the NR2003 community by letting them convert our older truck mod, we are now able to use their updated (and better looking) models in Heat, and have tons of paint sets coming to boot.... including every paint scheme ran from 2008-2011... and whatever 2012's are done using the same models. So exclusivity would have its disadvantages in some instances too.
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Oct 13, 2011 1:20:46 GMT 2
Post by ucrdoh on Oct 13, 2011 1:20:46 GMT 2
Well its not that they haven't been given the permission, just nobody has put the work into it like Karl has. I also know the same thing with platinum grand prix mod, has allowed the heat community to have several paints they might not have had, had there been a different template than the one for rfactor.
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Oct 14, 2011 16:16:59 GMT 2
Post by Blaxman on Oct 14, 2011 16:16:59 GMT 2
Agreed! Having exclusive mods and a friendly enviroment is the key to get new people joining in. I think that should be more used in favor of SpeedSims. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) One of the things I also think is that SpeedSims needs to be a little more relaxed on the way the races are scanned down by the officials. That must be a pain for the admins reviewing an entire race driver by driver just to find out someone stepped out of bounds for 10 secs during a race when none of the oponnents never complained about. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) Dont get me wrong, I regard SS's rules the best in HEAT, I'm just saying the rules should be enforced on demand... I mean... in the case someone fill in a protest or in the case of flagrant violations or misconduct. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) .
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Oct 14, 2011 18:21:19 GMT 2
Post by DaveO on Oct 14, 2011 18:21:19 GMT 2
Agreed! Having exclusive mods and a friendly enviroment is the key to get new people joining in. I think that should be more used in favor of SpeedSims. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) One of the things I also think is that SpeedSims needs to be a little more relaxed on the way the races are scanned down by the officials. That must be a pain for the admins reviewing an entire race driver by driver just to find out someone stepped out of bounds for 10 secs during a race when none of the oponnents never complained about. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) TBH I found that a little rough in our most recent LFS series, reviewing the entire replay on my own with 15 plus drivers. It can be very time consuming that's for sure!! Any new heat series next year will have at least two admins covering a series, to help with the work load. Karl and I have shared the work load in past series and we do have a good system on how we do things. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Yes, it could be done, if someone protested about a certain incident. We do get complaints that way. But, you have to remember most people are also racing with there friends. How many guys are actually going to protest against one of there buddies? That's why most leagues like ours and NHRL do go over the replays to check for incidents, because most people would not want to complain or b$tch about a buddy. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) That's why we have admins to do the work. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) @ Blaxman do you think the rules are to strict or the type of pens are to harsh? .
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Oct 14, 2011 19:21:14 GMT 2
Post by Blaxman on Oct 14, 2011 19:21:14 GMT 2
I think the rules and penalties are perfect. I wouldnt change them a bit. What I meant was .... maybe the race reviews could be less picky. The proactive method employed today seems to put an excessive workload on the admins shoulders. Doing the reactive way could get the things lighter for them. ;D Most of real life racing are this way, they are more reactive than proactive. And.... exactly because most of drivers are friends (or at least friendly folks) I assume they dont need baby sitting. They can speak up (protest) by themselves. At least they (including me) should be. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .
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Oct 16, 2011 4:28:32 GMT 2
Post by DaveO on Oct 16, 2011 4:28:32 GMT 2
I think the rules and penalties are perfect. I wouldnt change them a bit. What I meant was .... maybe the race reviews could be less picky. The proactive method employed today seems to put an excessive workload on the admins shoulders. Doing the reactive way could get the things lighter for them. ;D Most of real life racing are this way, they are more reactive than proactive. And.... exactly because most of drivers are friends (or at least friendly folks) I assume they dont need baby sitting. They can speak up (protest) by themselves. At least they (including me) should be. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Would be a nice idea.. But I think with having two admins covering a heat series we should be fine. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) We have a lot of fantastic ideas in this thread, which should make 2012 an exciting year at SpeedSims. So with that, I'll leave this picture of Porsche 917K doing some test laps tonight. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ![](http://www.speedsims.net/tmp/porsche.jpg)
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Oct 18, 2011 14:42:36 GMT 2
Post by spike on Oct 18, 2011 14:42:36 GMT 2
It would also be intresting maybe having a G2 Sprint Cup mod series featuring road course tracks other than Watkins Glen & Infineon.
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Oct 18, 2011 15:51:56 GMT 2
Post by DaveO on Oct 18, 2011 15:51:56 GMT 2
It would also be intresting maybe having a G2 Sprint Cup mod series featuring road course tracks other than Watkins Glen & Infineon. When G2 first came out a few years ago, that was a very popular idea here at SpeedSims. A driver by the name of Harding Jr was heading up that purposal. But he had left the heat community soon afterwards. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) And Yes, there are plenty of road course tracks to where you can race the Cup cars on, to where the pits work great with cup cars!! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) There are so many fantastic ideas in this thread, I don't see why we couldn't do a little bit of everything in 2012. ;D Even G2 road course series could be done! I'll talk to my buddy Blax about that. ;D Call me crazy, but with all of us putting our heads together, ANYTHING can be accomplished!!! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Looks like SpeedSims in 2012 is gonna be one heck of a year! Keep the ideas coming guys.. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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