Mosport

[spike]

Practice for Mosport will be Friday Nov. 18 @ 4pm est. The track is all setup on the server for practcing now so feel free to jump on there whenever. I won't be as lenient with the offroading as I was @ Laguna Seca so put some extra practice time in to learn the braking points . Here are some setups www.speedsims.net/files/VTA/Mosport.zip I ran a 1:17.3 best so far.

[DaveO]

Nov 14, 2011 18:46:58 GMT 2 spike said:

Practice for Mosport will be Friday Nov. 18 @ 4pm est. The track is all setup on the server for practicing now so feel free to jump on there whenever. I won't be as lenient with the offroading as I was @ Laguna Seca so put some extra practice time in to learn the braking points . Here are some setups www.speedsims.net/files/VTA/Mosport.zip I ran a 1:17.3 best so far.

Damn, Friday practices for me never did work right with the family. Good luck with practice fellas.

BTW: What do you mean you won't be as lenient with offroading? May I ask what your cut off for off roading is? We normally use a formula times the amount of laps for a track. What's your formula in this situation?

[spike]

Nov 14, 2011 19:01:21 GMT 2 DaveO said:

Nov 14, 2011 18:46:58 GMT 2 spike said:

Practice for Mosport will be Friday Nov. 18 @ 4pm est. The track is all setup on the server for practicing now so feel free to jump on there whenever. I won't be as lenient with the offroading as I was @ Laguna Seca so put some extra practice time in to learn the braking points . Here are some setups www.speedsims.net/files/VTA/Mosport.zip I ran a 1:17.3 best so far.

Damn, Friday practices for me never did work right with the family. Good luck with practice fellas.

BTW: What do you mean you won't be as lenient with offroading? May I ask what your cut off for off roading is? We normally use a formula times the amount of laps for a track. What's your formula in this situation?

I might be on the server tomorrow @ 4pm if anybody cares to join.
As long as everybody keeps 2 tires on the track at all times they'll be fine Now 4 tires off the track I'll be adding +1 second to your/mine times.
Watchout for the 2nd to last turn, it's a left hander and if you take it too wide you'll hit a wall as I have a few times ;D

[DaveO]

Now 4 tires off the track I'll be adding +1 second to your/mine times.

Ouch! So your saying EACH time someone has 4 wheels off the pavement, they will get 1 second added to there finish results?

[ucrdoh]

Mosport is an S type track, which means it has sputters and pen traps. Perhaps the pen traps provided by the track aren't enough in Wes's point of view.

However, I'm sure there is a difference between missing a turn outright. Which I've done in practice several times, and shortcutting. There are places one can do that, but keep in mind intention versus accidental.

[grumpy]

Not sure if there are provisionals for this series

I might be missing Mosport

[DaveO]

Nov 14, 2011 22:42:30 GMT 2 ucrdoh said:

Mosport is an S type track, which means it has sputters and pen traps. Perhaps the pen traps provided by the track aren't enough in Wes's point of view.

However, I'm sure there is a difference between missing a turn outright. Which I've done in practice several times, and shortcutting. There are places one can do that, but keep in mind intention versus accidental.

Oh I know the difference.. I thought Wes, was using the General SpeedSims rules for cutting. Which basically, the No cutting rule was put together years ago by Karl and Chris.

Reason I bring this up is, several years ago, this same rule was tried at SCORE and ended up with half the people quitting.

Which is why I would strongly recommend NOT to add a pen manually each time someone cuts in. People use to take this as an unfair treatment, no matter how much argueing how fair it was meant to be.

[spike]

To clarify it's only gong to be a +1 second penalty if 4 tires are in the grass where you'll gain an advantage. If you're not gaining an advantage or the track pen traps get you or you're trying to avoid an accident you're not going to get penalized.

[Blaxman]

Nov 15, 2011 4:20:18 GMT 2 spike said:

To clarify it's only gong to be a +1 second penalty if 4 tires are in the grass where you'll gain an advantage. If you're not gaining an advantage or the track pen traps get you or you're trying to avoid an accident you're not going to get penalized.

Mmmm... I got the meaning, but how will the drivers know the spots that would be considered 'advantage'..

Honestly... I dont see much reason to be so sensitive on "offroad ridings", unless someone is obviously getting repeatedly advantages. Besides, going offroad on road courses is normal..... and the track itself has traps to prevent shortcutting. Plus the fact going off road means losing time naturally on 99% of times. I'm affraid to see guys being punished simply for making mistakes....

Just my two cents...

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[spike]

Karl had a similar rule for the Shelby & GT3 series but instead of disqualifying or not counting the points you/I made for the race I'm just adding +1 second onto finishing time if there's a need for it. There are some tracks where you can shortcut & bypass the pen traps, not 100% sure if any of them are in the schedule though. I could run it like other Nascar Heat series and start taking points away for cutting but I'm not going to.

[DaveO]

Nov 15, 2011 15:04:16 GMT 2 spike said:

Karl had a similar rule for the Shelby & GT3 series but instead of disqualifying or not counting the points you/I made for the race I'm just adding +1 second onto finishing time if there's a need for it. There are some tracks where you can shortcut & bypass the pen traps, not 100% sure if any of them are in the schedule though. I could run it like other Nascar Heat series and start taking points away for cutting but I'm not going to.

NO your wrong, Karl did NOT have a similar rule, to where he started to pen people the first time people went off road. I think I would know this since he and I did the review process together. We used what is called a formula based on how many times people went off track. Before they received a penalty for short cutting. For example, Mosport race length is 25 laps. So basically rule of thumb would be 25 X 33 percent which equals, 8.25. So for a track with this race length we would not give someone a pen until they went off road at least 8 times.. Now this rule was applied to any type of track 2 second penalty tracks, sputter traps etc. Now if the game gave them an ingame penalty that would NOT count towards the 8 times the driver went offtrack. In the long run, YOU should have one type of NO cutting rule for all RC tracks in general. You can ask Chris if you would like to verify what I said.. Okay, I'm done with this thread.

[Blaxman]

Nov 15, 2011 15:04:16 GMT 2 spike said:

Karl had a similar rule for the Shelby & GT3 series but instead of disqualifying or not counting the points you/I made for the race I'm just adding +1 second onto finishing time if there's a need for it. There are some tracks where you can shortcut & bypass the pen traps, not 100% sure if any of them are in the schedule though. I could run it like other Nascar Heat series and start taking points away for cutting but I'm not going to.

I'm not saying what is right or wrong, just what I personally rather. I'm just saying I feel more comfortable if I dont have to keep driving like I was an rails all the time. I understand Spike's worries though.

[spike]

After rereading the rules I posted I guess I forgot to mention the +1 second penalty, D'oh. Since I forgot to post it in the rules originally, to hell with the +1 second offroad penalty.

[Cholerix]

Nov 15, 2011 15:04:16 GMT 2 spike said:

Karl had a similar rule for the Shelby & GT3 series

Nope, I didn't have. For the reasons Dave already mentioned: bad experience in the past.

Manually given pens are a minefield, and tend to offend rewarded drivers pretty quick, because they will feel like being accused of cheating and treated unfair with each pen you hand out. Which is why we only handed out penalties on those that couldn't deny to have mistreated rules by massively shortcutting (> 50% of the race on the same turn, and WIDE off)

And: you cannot judge shortcutting by your own replay; you need to do on base of the suspected driver's replay. Because Heat isn't accurate when it comes to showing another driver's exact driving line

[raybee1970]

Too many rules and no one will show up to race.