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Post by Administrator on Jun 29, 2009 20:34:26 GMT 2
Well.. 11pm is way past bedtime to me. You knew that right from start when you joined I didnt name and shame here anyone, i never complained about specified driver Right, but its easy to pick out the ones you pointed at without putting up names i understand that we are all human beings here, but some mistakes were continuing here all the time, for example the worst example -> Blue flagged drivers. All ? Or just some ? It's that kind of generalism that makes misunderstanding that easy I respect CLEAN RACERS, but no racers who DONT SAY SORRY AFTER THEIR MISTAKE! You have read the rules, have you ? There's an explicit telling about no chatting in the race. Includes "sorry". In real life, you are neither able to say "sorry" while still racing Its hard to be generally polite, when someone who ruins your race, doesnt care about it at all. Your opponent can hardly have ruined "ruined" your race, as you did make it to the finish, right ? So he has more likely just spoiled your expectations on how you'd run the race. I don't deny that can be annoying - but that will happen to you occasionally sometimes in all your life. Life is like that - people don't always act according to your expectations. So there had been some - how many actually ? - unpleasent situations in your race. According to what you're telling us, a lot of them. Now so far as I could tell from some years racing ... some occasional such situation can happen to the best. Even sometimes 2 in the same race. Though that would be some damn unlucky coincidence. In case there had been more such situations in your race, maybe you should consider that your awareness or style of driving perhaps have supported to get into such situations ? There's always 2 drivers participating in an incident. One who caused it and one who maybe could have anticipated ... and avoided... Thats the reason why couldnt the league be moved bit earlier, even 20 - 30 minutes? Trust me, it'll be much easier for some people  ... and a lot harder for others. So what's the benefit ? i see some people come racing with not much practise. ....but some could need some practise. What would be "not much" according to you ? Such statements always come in handy, and I've always been curious what the meaning behind is. Actually the race admins had set a minimum number of laps for that car & track, though not publicly. But seems it wasn't sufficient a limit for your liking. So lets be plain: what would you to suggest for minimum practice ? but Admins got to realise that we need better ordering in racing. I suggest that in next races there would be live admin who would give in-race penalties. Great suggestion ! You're volunteering for the job ? In case you don't, what's the use of this suggestion ? Telling people your idea of running a series is different from theirs ? Suggestions for improvements are always welcome. At least if they are suggestions, not demands, like what you do here. And even as suggestions you may first have thought yourself about if maybe there's some valid reasons there's no live admin. Or you could have asked. It's the tune that makes the music .... and your posts actually sound somewhat distorted  |
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Post by triz on Jun 29, 2009 20:36:54 GMT 2
And also, constantly pushing to begin begin begin. I understand that Mr Ati wants to race with this league, but its not Speedsims duty to begin right on time because someone is running out of time? If you dont sufficient time to race... ur problem. not mine or 21 other drivers' problem.
I am sorry that people are asking u to turn the pc off because it is 'bedtime' . But yor home situation is not something that 20 other drivers have to take into account. I am really sorry to hear it all but thats the way it is. And blowing up like that is indeed unnecisary as it is to complain right away and talking about bans. (Which was mentioned I believe by mr Ati after the race in chat) Racetime will not change cause we have a World Community here and not only European. I also have to work the next day. Even if the race does finish around 11:30. Doesnt matter since i choose to race at this time. If it doesnt suit u... Ur choice to race. Not ours.
I am sorry pal that ur race was messed up, in fact, I qualified 5th in the race and the first start we had, someone just pounded me out of T1. If we didnt restart i might had to fight back from even further. I would have been unhappy yes but i wouldnt be blowing up. Shit happens. U dont complain during the race, besides I (like most) turn off chat messages.
Look, i hope that u can join us for next race and I hope that it will be with less incidents. The admins will look at it for u and will see fit to give penalties where needed. In the mean time try to relax. If u qualy first, great for u. If u lose out on that because of a 'backrunner' pity... Shit happens. I hope that when the time comes that when ur a backrunner urself for whatever reason, u'll get some more understanding too instead of blowing up like that. Besides this is only a game. This was the first race of a new series. Relax... Where needed people will be penalised.
Triz
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Post by triz on Jun 29, 2009 20:46:33 GMT 2
I would be wining to u too when i came on the inside to over take, and u cut inside the corner becuase u oversteered after T1 Hi Triz, if I knew who you were I would have apoligized after the race. I didn't do that on purpose. I got on the gas to hard and the backend came around and then all of a sudden you were there. I REALLY didn't even know you were there. For that I apoligize. I felt bad when it happened but it just happened. As far as the Blue flags how come I was running in 13th place and a car caught me and I got the Blue flag so I gave him room as quick as I could and after he passed me I moved to 14th place. He wasn't a car lapping me but the game gave me the Blue flag. After that incident I wasn't real sure I trusted the Blue flag. I'm not complaining but I would like to know if LFS makes that error on a regular basis. Has anyone else had that happen to them or am I just lucky. LOL !! I am REALLY looking forward to the next race !!!! PEACE  LOL Thats alright, if i had waited for the last hairpin I might have been safer to over take. Its my choice to take the chance, and I lost. It happens. And yes, I had a good traction out of that corner which made me being able to be so close all of a sudden. I saw u over steered and there wasnt much u could do about it either. No need to appologise hehe. I loved the battles out there. Its great fun! |
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Post by Administrator on Jun 29, 2009 20:50:22 GMT 2
2. Couldnt he apologize after the race then? instead of that the driver was just talking to another guy (no naming and shaming) peacefully. Most drivers do - in case they have noticed in the race and took it for themselves having been at fault. But first rule in sim racing is: its always been the other driver's fault ;D Which makes it less likely you always will get that post-race "sorry". You better try to control your anger. Doesn't improve the racing anyway It's up to the race admins to judge who was at fault, not the drivers' decisions. And it doesn't help at all to discuss incidents publicly, which is why there's a rule about that. If you discuss incidents publicly, you simply accuse others to have doen you some wrong. Now being accused is something everybody is most likely very eager to read in public and happily agree to in an instant, right ?  Why do you think there's rules ? Because the admins like to make a show of being important ? |
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Post by eliteati on Jun 29, 2009 21:12:19 GMT 2
Well.. 11pm is way past bedtime to me. You knew that right from start when you joined Right, but its easy to pick out the ones you pointed at without putting up names All ? Or just some ? It's that kind of generalism that makes misunderstanding that easy You have read the rules, have you ? There's an explicit telling about no chatting in the race. Includes "sorry". In real life, you are neither able to say "sorry" while still racing Your opponent can hardly have ruined "ruined" your race, as you did make it to the finish, right ? So he has more likely just spoiled your expectations on how you'd run the race. I don't deny that can be annoying - but that will happen to you occasionally sometimes in all your life. Life is like that - people don't always act according to your expectations. So there had been some - how many actually ? - unpleasent situations in your race. According to what you're telling us, a lot of them. Now so far as I could tell from some years racing ... some occasional such situation can happen to the best. Even sometimes 2 in the same race. Though that would be some damn unlucky coincidence. In case there had been more such situations in your race, maybe you should consider that your awareness or style of driving perhaps have supported to get into such situations ? There's always 2 drivers participating in an incident. One who caused it and one who maybe could have anticipated ... and avoided... ... and a lot harder for others. So what's the benefit ? What would be "not much" according to you ? Such statements always come in handy, and I've always been curious what the meaning behind is. Actually the race admins had set a minimum number of laps for that car & track, though not publicly. But seems it wasn't sufficient a limit for your liking. So lets be plain: what would you to suggest for minimum practice ? but Admins got to realise that we need better ordering in racing. I suggest that in next races there would be live admin who would give in-race penalties. Great suggestion ! You're volunteering for the job ? In case you don't, what's the use of this suggestion ? Telling people your idea of running a series is different from theirs ? Suggestions for improvements are always welcome. At least if they are suggestions, not demands, like what you do here. And even as suggestions you may first have thought yourself about if maybe there's some valid reasons there's no live admin. Or you could have asked. It's the tune that makes the music .... and your posts actually sound somewhat distorted I did only suggest, i never demanded that extra admin should be ingame checking everything out. Why not set the minimum laps out publicly? i'd like to know that, if you guys would have set the minimum, then the athmosphere would have been alot better here. He pretty much ruined my race, my tires were red hot right after the incident. But we can have both own opinions of whens the race ruined and when its not 1. You asked me for minimum laps/experience for the next race, you get it, thx. - 15 lap race with bots on Difficulty Hard and replay posted on forums (on pre-race thread?) - minimum of 40 laps online before on track If drivers would have one of these, i'd be already very happy with that Once again, only suggestion. I had few unpleasant situations in race, mostly when blue flagged drivers were in front of me. Life is life i agree. But i'd like if my minimum lap suggestion could be considered. Also chatting after race wasnt mentioned. Only during race. Racing incidents happen, but sometimes very avoidable ones. Lets not continue this anymore? i wouldnt like to fight over internet, because it tends to leave bad feelings. I apologize from admins and i hope that we can stop this peacefully |
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Post by Administrator on Jun 29, 2009 21:45:08 GMT 2
1. You asked me for minimum laps/experience for the next race, you get it, thx. - 15 lap race with bots on Difficulty Hard and replay posted on forums (on pre-race thread?) - minimum of 40 laps online before on track Actually that's pretty close to what was discussed as an absolute minimum, only without bot race. But a) you can never prove if someone had really run that much and b) making this a rule calls for some people considering that 40 laps be sufficient practice... Thus checking without telling deemed a better way Have faith in the admin's doing They have some experience on this job |
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Post by eliteati on Jun 29, 2009 21:55:30 GMT 2
Well.. shouldnt the replay of 15 laps offline do the job and LFSworld would show the online statistics? Also, i'd like to suggest that laptime could be in some percentage of current World Record, lets say 7% off current WR? depending on track obviously. Cheers. ;D |
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Post by DaveO on Jun 29, 2009 22:13:00 GMT 2
eliteati, please check your private messages.
Thanks,
Dave
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Post by Administrator on Jun 29, 2009 22:18:27 GMT 2
Well.. shouldnt the replay of 15 laps offline do the job and LFSworld would show the online statistics? If you know someone checks and don't have sufficient practice time you may consider have someone else drive with your account... Also, i'd like to suggest that laptime could be in some percentage of current World Record, lets say 7% off current WR? depending on track obviously. See above. And once you do this, it won't take long for the next one telling you that 7% is far too slow - no more than 5% should be minimum. Then comes next.... and soon you're up to world record + max 1 sec. And by the same right as world record + 7%. Actually some month ago some of us had been in a series where it actually came down to world record + 2 secs when you were considered to be far too slow. On the long tracks... and the one who ran those records did participate. Wasn't that much fun ... If the admins are in doubt someone is able to run a clean race at reasonable pace, he'll get a pm from race admins and be asked to prove he IS able to race. But it's NOT due to some written rule, but strictly up to the race admins' judging. There's more going on than you can see. And its not within the admins' duty to publicly justify every single rule or those rules that ain't even there, but simply series maintenance |
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Post by bambo on Jun 29, 2009 22:25:47 GMT 2
I'll start off by thanking the admins for the race and wilko for providing a server, I had quite a blast and it would have been even more of a joy if it wasn't for a physical issue. I will admit that I was left with a bad taste in my mouth when I was disconnect on a 58:8x but didn't really bothered me too much since I understood the situation, had a physical problem and it wouldn't have really changed anything. Started in 2nd and from the start got 1st position which I kept for the rest of the race, with the exception of when I swapped places with Dave due to me doing a pit stop. Was quite lonely but I'm quite thankful for that since my left wrist, the physical problem which I've knackered you with a bit above, was basically shot from practice and did qualy in a bit of pain. Even worse during the race and to top things, the right one started to hurt half way trough the race as well. They're both busted now so I won't be racing for a couple of days  Will admit that it starts a wee bit too late but not really complaining since it's summer I did have a few moments which could have easily been turned into incidents when I was overlapping a few cars but IMO it's my duty as it is the blue flagged car to do it safely. IMO the admins shouldn't have really taken Ati's first posts too serious since most drivers are quite hot-headed after an incident like that and tend to be quite irritated in posts. Ati couldn't have really done anything in that case for a reason that might seem a bit bizarre. You see, after a while in the race, a driver will loose his concentration and will start driving more by instinct due to the mind wondering off thus reaction times to things out of the ordinary will slow down by quite a lot. In any case, it was wrong of the lapped car to brake while on the racing line and you can't simply say "shit happens" or "you could have avoided him". IMO the lapped car should have pulled off the racing line by moving to the right side and ease off the gas. |
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Post by Mustangman on Jun 29, 2009 22:45:28 GMT 2
Instead of complaining why dont we thank the guys who helped make this possible?
not gonna say who cause everyone knows who he/she/them is.
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Post by DaveO on Jun 29, 2009 23:10:06 GMT 2
If anyone has an issue or a complaint just send either myself or Humty a pm.
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Post by ksheppard on Jun 30, 2009 3:01:44 GMT 2
Thanks Dave...oh brother |
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Post by Administrator on Jun 30, 2009 8:31:57 GMT 2
IMO the admins shouldn't have really taken Ati's first posts too serious since most drivers are quite hot-headed after an incident like that and tend to be quite irritated in posts. That's why there is a rule about not making incidents a topic in public. Usually that turns into someone accusing someone else, that one shouting back, and so on... and soon you have a nice flame war and things turn really ugly. We've seen this happen in quite some leagues/forums, which is why here we prefer to do the post-race incident maintenance NOT in public, but strictly via pm and not directly between the opponents, but always only each party communicating with admins as these are not emotionally involved. Makes for less hot-headed argument and less regret 24 h later... Ati couldn't have really done anything in that case for a reason that might seem a bit bizarre. You see, after a while in the race, a driver will loose his concentration and will start driving more by instinct due to the mind wondering off thus reaction times to things out of the ordinary will slow down by quite a lot. That's not bizarre, but rather normal. But doesn't make a difference either, as the same argument goes for his opponent as well. Furthermore this race was a pretty short one, so in case there WAS a loss of focus already, this is something to work on. 30 min race shouldn't make you lose concentration at any given time in the race. In any case, it was wrong of the lapped car to brake while on the racing line and you can't simply say "shit happens" or "you could have avoided him". IMO the lapped car should have pulled off the racing line by moving to the right side and ease off the gas. Yes, probably - but its the admins duty to check on this and judge on what was wrong here. Nonetheless "shit happens" is true enough and "you could have avoided" as well, as a lot of incidents could have been avoided if BOTH drivers had been more cautious - even if only one did CAUSE the incident. There's some people that always never are in incidents. Simply because they are perfectly anticipating what their opponents may do next and react before they actually do. Or leave sufficient space for not becoming victim by unlucky chance. Part of being a really good race driver |
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Post by turtlewise06 on Jun 30, 2009 9:16:10 GMT 2
;D
Glad to see good turnout for race event . " whew "
And thank the race Admins for all there efforts to keep this event running .
Good Job Guys ... and congrats to all who raced . hope you all had FUN
And had therapy after that ..................................................................
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